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	<title>Comments on: Westboro Baptist Church Debate!  ACLU versus ACLJ on Sean Hannity Show. (Audio)</title>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11962</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the article you&#039;ve cited, it says:
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Sekulow said he strongly opposes anti-homosexual protests at funerals but contended they nonetheless are constitutionally protected free speech.  &quot;I don&#039;t think that a speech-free zone [at a funeral] is any more constitutional than a buffer zone around an abortion clinic,&quot; Sekulow said
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It does NOT say the ACLJ DEFENDED THE RIGHT of the Westboro nuts, the ACLJ did NOT offer legal representation or counsel to Fred Phelps&#039; band of lunatics.  Sekulow made it clear he does not promote such activity.  He DID go inconsistent on his view of whether the buffer zone is constitutional, but we&#039;re talking about matters with an 8 year gap.  You would have to find that Jay Sekulow STILL approves of a buffer in one case and not another in 2 separate cases right now.  It is possible his view on the matter has changed for any situation.

I don&#039;t see a deep inconsistency, but likely a change of view on whether the buffer zone is constitutional.  In all cases he&#039;s made it clear he &quot;strongly opposes&quot; what the Phelps&#039; are doing across the board.

The ACLU, defends and covers, notice how they were soft on the Phelps&#039; and offering legal defense.  It&#039;s the ACLU that is trying to cover for garbage, Jay Sekulow said he strongly opposes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article you&#8217;ve cited, it says:</p>
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Sekulow said he strongly opposes anti-homosexual protests at funerals but contended they nonetheless are constitutionally protected free speech.  &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that a speech-free zone [at a funeral] is any more constitutional than a buffer zone around an abortion clinic,&#8221; Sekulow said
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<p>It does NOT say the ACLJ DEFENDED THE RIGHT of the Westboro nuts, the ACLJ did NOT offer legal representation or counsel to Fred Phelps&#8217; band of lunatics.  Sekulow made it clear he does not promote such activity.  He DID go inconsistent on his view of whether the buffer zone is constitutional, but we&#8217;re talking about matters with an 8 year gap.  You would have to find that Jay Sekulow STILL approves of a buffer in one case and not another in 2 separate cases right now.  It is possible his view on the matter has changed for any situation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a deep inconsistency, but likely a change of view on whether the buffer zone is constitutional.  In all cases he&#8217;s made it clear he &#8220;strongly opposes&#8221; what the Phelps&#8217; are doing across the board.</p>
<p>The ACLU, defends and covers, notice how they were soft on the Phelps&#8217; and offering legal defense.  It&#8217;s the ACLU that is trying to cover for garbage, Jay Sekulow said he strongly opposes it.</p>
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		<title>By: attack_tactic</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11961</link>
		<dc:creator>attack_tactic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, here&#039;s proof that the ACLJ defended the right for people to picket at the funerals of homosexuals:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&amp;dat=19981024&amp;id=GO0yAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=gwgGAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=6613,6137963

The ACLJ&#039;s crocodile tears and faux outrage over the Snyder affair fails to convince me, because their record is deeply inconsistent. They only care about defending free speech when it&#039;s speech that they personally approve of, especially if undesired demographic groups such as homosexuals are on the receiving end of the hatred.

On the other hand, the ACLU has a consistent record of defending all sorts of speech, even speech that mainstream liberals find odious. Whether you choose to deny it or not, the ACLU has defended Rush Limbaugh&#039;s first amendment rights, as well as the right for Christian students to wear T-shirts with offensive messages in school, among other examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, here&#8217;s proof that the ACLJ defended the right for people to picket at the funerals of homosexuals:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&amp;dat=19981024&amp;id=GO0yAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=gwgGAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=6613,6137963" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&amp;dat=19981024&amp;id=GO0yAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=gwgGAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=6613,6137963</a></p>
<p>The ACLJ&#8217;s crocodile tears and faux outrage over the Snyder affair fails to convince me, because their record is deeply inconsistent. They only care about defending free speech when it&#8217;s speech that they personally approve of, especially if undesired demographic groups such as homosexuals are on the receiving end of the hatred.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the ACLU has a consistent record of defending all sorts of speech, even speech that mainstream liberals find odious. Whether you choose to deny it or not, the ACLU has defended Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s first amendment rights, as well as the right for Christian students to wear T-shirts with offensive messages in school, among other examples.</p>
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		<title>By: boudica</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-11526</link>
		<dc:creator>boudica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I wish you would not label all liberals like that.  Actually, I like to think of myself as progressive and moderately liberal.  I hope you do not honestly think that I believe this is acceptable behavior.  No, I think it is the worst thing you can do is show up to a funeral of a dead soldier with signs regarding how &quot;glad they are dead&quot; and ramble on about homosexuality as if the dead soldier invented the word.  I do believe in free speech and religious freedom, but often too many cult like &quot;religions&quot; use our rights as if it were their own personal ground to exert their rights while stomping on the rights of others.

There is one simple thing for these people to do, if you hate America so much because of our right to domestic tranquility, which is in the preamble, the maybe you should leave.  
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(&lt;strong&gt;Edited by IndependentConservative:&lt;/strong&gt; Rant want various swearing removed.  I want this person to be able to express their view, but I&#039;m not allowing their various cursing portion of the rant.)&lt;/em&gt;

I think they should go to Jonestown where they can do their inbreeding correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I wish you would not label all liberals like that.  Actually, I like to think of myself as progressive and moderately liberal.  I hope you do not honestly think that I believe this is acceptable behavior.  No, I think it is the worst thing you can do is show up to a funeral of a dead soldier with signs regarding how &#8220;glad they are dead&#8221; and ramble on about homosexuality as if the dead soldier invented the word.  I do believe in free speech and religious freedom, but often too many cult like &#8220;religions&#8221; use our rights as if it were their own personal ground to exert their rights while stomping on the rights of others.</p>
<p>There is one simple thing for these people to do, if you hate America so much because of our right to domestic tranquility, which is in the preamble, the maybe you should leave.<br />
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(<strong>Edited by IndependentConservative:</strong> Rant want various swearing removed.  I want this person to be able to express their view, but I&#8217;m not allowing their various cursing portion of the rant.)</em></p>
<p>I think they should go to Jonestown where they can do their inbreeding correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Bad Deal!  Mike Gallagher Cuts Appeasement Deal With Shirley Phelps-Roper.&lt;/strong&gt;

	So yesterday I was listening to the Mike Gallagher Show and he had on the idiot in Christian&#8217;s clothing named Shirley Phelps-Roper.  Of course you know I&#8217;ve spoken out against that band of idiots at the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka Ka...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Bad Deal!  Mike Gallagher Cuts Appeasement Deal With Shirley Phelps-Roper.</strong></p>
<p>	So yesterday I was listening to the Mike Gallagher Show and he had on the idiot in Christian&#8217;s clothing named Shirley Phelps-Roper.  Of course you know I&#8217;ve spoken out against that band of idiots at the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka Ka&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen no record of the ACLJ defending any funeral protests of any kind.  But you&#039;re welcome to back your claim with some links proving your statement.

The provided audio allows anyone to decide for themselves.  Given Hannity&#039;s ratings versus those of talk you probably like at stations like Air America most of America has voted with their dials.  

Hannity and the ACLJ stand for the truth and not the lies and sin of groups like the pro-gay lobby.  We defeat you from state to shining state and will continue to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen no record of the ACLJ defending any funeral protests of any kind.  But you&#8217;re welcome to back your claim with some links proving your statement.</p>
<p>The provided audio allows anyone to decide for themselves.  Given Hannity&#8217;s ratings versus those of talk you probably like at stations like Air America most of America has voted with their dials.  </p>
<p>Hannity and the ACLJ stand for the truth and not the lies and sin of groups like the pro-gay lobby.  We defeat you from state to shining state and will continue to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: ob1</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/07/28/hannity_aclu_aclj_debate/comment-page-1/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>ob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a misleading post.  You leave out that ACLJ was against funeral protest bans when it was gay people whose funerals were being protested.  That give them zero creditability on the issue.  And why don&#039;t you check out for yourself Hannity&#039;s relations with the ACLU.  Aside from his assertion that he was stabbed in the back, you will find no credence to his statement.  In fact, the ACLU stood up for his anti-gay ranting that were nearly as offensive as the gibberish spewed by the Phelps.  Still, this &quot;debate&quot; demonstrates one thing best of all: Sean Hannity doesn&#039;t allow debates.  He drones out the side he doesn&#039;t agree with and pretends he is allowing a debate.  He is an O&#039;Reilly wannabe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a misleading post.  You leave out that ACLJ was against funeral protest bans when it was gay people whose funerals were being protested.  That give them zero creditability on the issue.  And why don&#8217;t you check out for yourself Hannity&#8217;s relations with the ACLU.  Aside from his assertion that he was stabbed in the back, you will find no credence to his statement.  In fact, the ACLU stood up for his anti-gay ranting that were nearly as offensive as the gibberish spewed by the Phelps.  Still, this &#8220;debate&#8221; demonstrates one thing best of all: Sean Hannity doesn&#8217;t allow debates.  He drones out the side he doesn&#8217;t agree with and pretends he is allowing a debate.  He is an O&#8217;Reilly wannabe.</p>
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