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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1614</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with that.  One would think that given the historical factors that Blacks would be sensitive to these issues and not want to make the same mistakes.  Some of us do and too many of us don&#039;t.

See: http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/04/25/duke_justice/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with that.  One would think that given the historical factors that Blacks would be sensitive to these issues and not want to make the same mistakes.  Some of us do and too many of us don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/04/25/duke_justice/" rel="nofollow">http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/04/25/duke_justice/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Voice of  reason</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of  reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 02:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing LAX case to that of Scottsboro Nine
 
 
I am a college instructor who teaches criminal justice and a criminal defense attorney. In my entire career I have never seen such a bizarre and unfair case as the one against three Duke lacrosse players. 

I teach a class about a similar case in American history, the Scottsboro Nine. In March 1931, a group of nine black teen-agers was charged with rape on incredibly flimsy evidence in Scottsboro, Ala. The nine were originally charged with the rape of two white women. Even after one woman testified that she lied about the rape, the nine teens continued to face rape charges and the threat of death by execution. 

In the Scottsboro case, the two women were part-time prostitutes, but that didn&#039;t matter, nor did it matter that at least one of the boys was known to be physically unable to have sex, and two of the boys were only 13. Like Durham, the real issue was race. 

In Scottsboro, nine young men were wrongly charged and condemned because they were black, and today the Duke lacrosse players have, in my opinion, been wrongly charged and condemned because they are white and the alleged victim is black. 

The one constant with respect to the two cases is racism. I often ask my students if it possible for blacks to discriminate against whites in the same type of mindless ignorance as the KKK or the way the mob went after the Scottsboro Nine. The answer I receive is yes, and my students point to Durham as proof. 


JOSEPH R. GUTHEINZ JR
Houston
May 20, 2006</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing LAX case to that of Scottsboro Nine</p>
<p>I am a college instructor who teaches criminal justice and a criminal defense attorney. In my entire career I have never seen such a bizarre and unfair case as the one against three Duke lacrosse players. </p>
<p>I teach a class about a similar case in American history, the Scottsboro Nine. In March 1931, a group of nine black teen-agers was charged with rape on incredibly flimsy evidence in Scottsboro, Ala. The nine were originally charged with the rape of two white women. Even after one woman testified that she lied about the rape, the nine teens continued to face rape charges and the threat of death by execution. </p>
<p>In the Scottsboro case, the two women were part-time prostitutes, but that didn&#8217;t matter, nor did it matter that at least one of the boys was known to be physically unable to have sex, and two of the boys were only 13. Like Durham, the real issue was race. </p>
<p>In Scottsboro, nine young men were wrongly charged and condemned because they were black, and today the Duke lacrosse players have, in my opinion, been wrongly charged and condemned because they are white and the alleged victim is black. </p>
<p>The one constant with respect to the two cases is racism. I often ask my students if it possible for blacks to discriminate against whites in the same type of mindless ignorance as the KKK or the way the mob went after the Scottsboro Nine. The answer I receive is yes, and my students point to Durham as proof. </p>
<p>JOSEPH R. GUTHEINZ JR<br />
Houston<br />
May 20, 2006</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1558</link>
		<dc:creator>IndependentConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to post the exact same comment in various posts. Once it is in one, please don&#039;t copy it to others, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to post the exact same comment in various posts. Once it is in one, please don&#8217;t copy it to others, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of  reason</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of  reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 04:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; Lawyers are waiting in the shadows for  lucrative civil suit &lt;/b&gt;

A man stands in the shadows of the Duke Lacrosse &#039;rape&#039; case…watching and waiting. While the three wealthy, white male students remains in criminal court, he is not likely to step forward. 

Even at this early stage, the stripper’s mother is &quot;very much interested&quot; in &quot;getting Willie E. Gary is a litigator renowned for winning huge settlements.

The stripper’s parents met with Gary in April. The meeting was facilitated by civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Gary acts as a family adviser, and the parents are laying groundwork to make a civil bid. Public opinion can be a large bargaining chip in obtaining a lucrative settlement. Earlier, the parents spoke freely; now they’re being more media savvy.

Essence Magazine featured three articles by Kristal Brent Zook. Each is sympathetic to the accuser. (1st) &quot;Family Defends Daughter&#039;s Painful Past&quot;, (2nd) &quot;Nowhere to Turn,&quot; depicts the accuser as living in terror. (3rd) is basically an announcement of Willie Gary&#039;s appearance in the case; it concludes by stating that the parents &quot;worry that their daughter may…need additional legal guidance.&quot;

Civil law deals in torts or harms inflicted by one person upon another; its purposes are compensation for actual or perceived damages.

A &quot;guilty&quot; verdict in criminal court can be used to establish liability in a civil one but if the verdict is &quot;not guilty&quot; or the charges are dropped, a civil case can proceed independently.

Kobe Bryant settled out-of-court settlement. Such settlements are not necessarily admissions of guilt. After months of media blitz, Bryant may have been embarrassed to settle, so civil suits could be lucrative even if the “accuser’s” claim is completely fabricated. The Duke students will face the same choice?

Civil suits can be lucrative, and they’re easier to win; standards of evidence and other legal protections enjoyed by a defendant are significantly lowered in civil court.

Clearly, her parents wish to explore a civil proceeding. Gary is conspicuously available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> Lawyers are waiting in the shadows for  lucrative civil suit </b></p>
<p>A man stands in the shadows of the Duke Lacrosse &#8216;rape&#8217; case…watching and waiting. While the three wealthy, white male students remains in criminal court, he is not likely to step forward. </p>
<p>Even at this early stage, the stripper’s mother is &#8220;very much interested&#8221; in &#8220;getting Willie E. Gary is a litigator renowned for winning huge settlements.</p>
<p>The stripper’s parents met with Gary in April. The meeting was facilitated by civil rights activist Rev. Jesse Jackson.</p>
<p>Gary acts as a family adviser, and the parents are laying groundwork to make a civil bid. Public opinion can be a large bargaining chip in obtaining a lucrative settlement. Earlier, the parents spoke freely; now they’re being more media savvy.</p>
<p>Essence Magazine featured three articles by Kristal Brent Zook. Each is sympathetic to the accuser. (1st) &#8220;Family Defends Daughter&#8217;s Painful Past&#8221;, (2nd) &#8220;Nowhere to Turn,&#8221; depicts the accuser as living in terror. (3rd) is basically an announcement of Willie Gary&#8217;s appearance in the case; it concludes by stating that the parents &#8220;worry that their daughter may…need additional legal guidance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Civil law deals in torts or harms inflicted by one person upon another; its purposes are compensation for actual or perceived damages.</p>
<p>A &#8220;guilty&#8221; verdict in criminal court can be used to establish liability in a civil one but if the verdict is &#8220;not guilty&#8221; or the charges are dropped, a civil case can proceed independently.</p>
<p>Kobe Bryant settled out-of-court settlement. Such settlements are not necessarily admissions of guilt. After months of media blitz, Bryant may have been embarrassed to settle, so civil suits could be lucrative even if the “accuser’s” claim is completely fabricated. The Duke students will face the same choice?</p>
<p>Civil suits can be lucrative, and they’re easier to win; standards of evidence and other legal protections enjoyed by a defendant are significantly lowered in civil court.</p>
<p>Clearly, her parents wish to explore a civil proceeding. Gary is conspicuously available.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 04:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I Wonder if Jesse Jackson Gets a Referral Fee?&lt;/strong&gt;

	 The parents of the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape case have been talking with high powered civil lawsuit attorney Willie Gary.  At the suggestion of none other than Jesse Jackson!
	
	
	
Accuser’s Mother Meets With Famed Attorney
	
Civil-rights l...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I Wonder if Jesse Jackson Gets a Referral Fee?</strong></p>
<p>	 The parents of the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape case have been talking with high powered civil lawsuit attorney Willie Gary.  At the suggestion of none other than Jesse Jackson!</p>
<p>Accuser’s Mother Meets With Famed Attorney</p>
<p>Civil-rights l&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Duke Lacrosse Captain David Evans Charged With Rape.  No Mustache and DNA Consistent with Two Players.&lt;/strong&gt;

	 Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has given David Evans a pretty sick graduation present.  An indictment for rape!  But the stripper accuser said he had a mustache, which he&#8217;s never had.  No mustache has been found.  Also the stripper&#8217;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Duke Lacrosse Captain David Evans Charged With Rape.  No Mustache and DNA Consistent with Two Players.</strong></p>
<p>	 Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has given David Evans a pretty sick graduation present.  An indictment for rape!  But the stripper accuser said he had a mustache, which he&#8217;s never had.  No mustache has been found.  Also the stripper&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Voice of  reason</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>Voice of  reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 17:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the taste of his own foot still lingering in his mouth, District Attorney Mike Nifong has another piece of evidence blow up in his face, I wonder how&#039;s his ulcer is doing?

So would it be his own aura or is it the universe&#039;s way of getting back at Nifong for destroying these young boys lives? 

It would be funny if Nifong&#039;s ulcer leads to a colonoscopy, or would it be “ironic” or “poetic justice” that he screws 47 boys over a false rape claim and have to take a 36 inch colonoscopy tube up his @ss for his part in the fiasco he created.

They are innocent! The drunken black stripper with the long criminal record and history of making false accusations...lied.

•	Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.
•	Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998 
•	Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002
•	1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.
•	2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team
•	DNA proves stripper had sex with boyfriend/pimp which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.
•	Innocent boy who picked up finger nail and threw it in the trash left his DNA on the fake press-on nail and will be charged for rape.

The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:
1)	First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom

a.	The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?
b.	Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.
c.	She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.
d.	The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.
e.	She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.


The stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they both get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the taste of his own foot still lingering in his mouth, District Attorney Mike Nifong has another piece of evidence blow up in his face, I wonder how&#8217;s his ulcer is doing?</p>
<p>So would it be his own aura or is it the universe&#8217;s way of getting back at Nifong for destroying these young boys lives? </p>
<p>It would be funny if Nifong&#8217;s ulcer leads to a colonoscopy, or would it be “ironic” or “poetic justice” that he screws 47 boys over a false rape claim and have to take a 36 inch colonoscopy tube up his @ss for his part in the fiasco he created.</p>
<p>They are innocent! The drunken black stripper with the long criminal record and history of making false accusations&#8230;lied.</p>
<p>•	Stripper made a false claim of rape by three boys in 1996.<br />
•	Stripper made a false claim of kidnapping in 1998<br />
•	Stripper charged with larceny, auto theft, and trying to kill a police officer in 2002<br />
•	1st round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team.<br />
•	2nd round of DNA shows no link to the lacrosse team<br />
•	DNA proves stripper had sex with boyfriend/pimp which accounts for the “rape kit” evidence of recent sexual activity.<br />
•	Innocent boy who picked up finger nail and threw it in the trash left his DNA on the fake press-on nail and will be charged for rape.</p>
<p>The stripper’s account of the night has serious integrity issues:<br />
1)	First she claimed 20 boys raped her, then she narrowed it down to 3 in a bathroom</p>
<p>a.	The bathroom is absolutely and completely devoid of any evidence of a rape. Where is her DNA? Urine, blood, vaginal fluid, saliva, or tears?<br />
b.	Many people’s DNA were found under her nails but none from the innocent lacrosse boys.<br />
c.	She lied about losing her fake finger nails in a desperate struggle in the small enclosed bathroom, but pictures show that she removed her nails before inadequately performing her routine. No scratches were found on any of the innocent lacrosse boys’ bodies.<br />
d.	The 2 innocent boys she “eeny meeny miney moed” to be her rapists weren’t even at the party the time she claimed the rape occurred. She claims that she’s 100% sure, but she told her father that she’s not sure.<br />
e.	She took drugs before coming to the house, something illegal.</p>
<p>The stripper obviously lied, and she’s putting these innocent boys and families through hell. She deserves to be in prison for the rest of her pathetic life. She is worthless as a person and human being. Her one lie destroyed innocent boys. I hope her and Nifong’s aura catches up to them and they both get what they deserve. I hope everyone wishing this rape claim to be true, in spite of all the evidence that it never occurred, gets what’s coming to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.independentconservative.com/2006/05/13/end_duke_case_now/comment-page-1/#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 04:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Accuser in the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case May Have Had Fresh Male Genetic Material&lt;/strong&gt;

	It seems her &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; left some fresh genetic material in her.
	
	
	
Nifong could seek third indictment
	
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Attorneys declined to name the man who apparently had sex with the woman or to release the full DNA report.
	Meanwhile, se...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Accuser in the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case May Have Had Fresh Male Genetic Material</strong></p>
<p>	It seems her &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; left some fresh genetic material in her.</p>
<p>Nifong could seek third indictment</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Attorneys declined to name the man who apparently had sex with the woman or to release the full DNA report.<br />
	Meanwhile, se&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sahm3</title>
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		<dc:creator>sahm3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He declined to identify him, saying there was no need for him to be “dragged through the mud.”&quot;

Well God forbid this poor man&#039;s name be dragged through the mud. Too bad the lacrosse players didn&#039;t get the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He declined to identify him, saying there was no need for him to be “dragged through the mud.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Well God forbid this poor man&#8217;s name be dragged through the mud. Too bad the lacrosse players didn&#8217;t get the same treatment.</p>
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